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Mr Fizzle · Mar 28, 2008, 07:51 AM // 07:51

I'm not from a well known guild at all,I'm just know a unknown use to be good player,observer hog now.So no one take this the wrong way but,there alot of bad wars nowadays...

I mean unless you plan to unload there's no reason to stop hitting a monk that applied spirit bond to himself :/.Keep hitting him make him use more energy spike the opposite monk more enrgy is used more pressure is done.

It's just that sometimes I feel that some players are being put into good guilds because they are well known not that they are good.

Discuss?

Luminarus · Mar 28, 2008, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Im not in high end gvg's etc, but why would u keep attacking a target thats been spirit bonded, when you can change target and still output damage, then returning once spirit bond has ended.

Yes spiking that target isnt a great idea, but neither is just wacking at it...

Thats just my opinion, from what I understand.

Gift3d · Mar 28, 2008, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Skill / Rank / What guild you're in are all entirely separate affairs, two of which have nothing to do with how good you are at playing the game. If you sit around in HA ID1 for long enough you'll see the same "known" people talk to eachother. The only thing different about them is they kiss more ass and use more acronyms and l33tspeak.

Most players who think they're "good" at the game aren't. They just do what they hear is "good".

ivan.alicard · Mar 28, 2008, 08:30 AM // 08:30

there will always be bad players ^^

weis · Mar 28, 2008, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Im not in high end gvg's etc, but why would u keep attacking a target thats been spirit bonded, when you can change target and still output damage, then returning once spirit bond has ended.

Yes spiking that target isnt a great idea, but neither is just wacking at it...

Thats just my opinion, from what I understand.

Because warriors (except hammer) do less damage while auto attacking than what is needed to trigger spirit bond so if target just has spirit bond on it has no effect.

Div · Mar 28, 2008, 09:26 AM // 09:26

In short, yes, there are MANY bad warriors in "top 100" guilds today. Unless you're polly or schoko, you're not going to be dealing more than 60 damage with that axe or sword, so there's no reason to stop swinging into a SB'ed target (or often, even PS'ed targets unless they're really DPed). One thing I noticed is that many warriors don't know the animations for monk spells, so they could've easily confused SB with guardian or something. Ups.

However, you have to also remember not everyone is playing their A-game, every game. We're not robots, so we're bound to have bad games, and what a good player does is limit those bad games and have more good games.

Minime The Shadow · Mar 28, 2008, 11:28 AM // 11:28

ill agree with Holymasamune for the main part.
im not in high end guild either, far from it infact, just a group of mates who want to have fun. but while observing high end gvg's u still see mistakes.

To the observer it is easily noticed however, but think when you are in that situation it isnt always easy to see everything in the battle, and they have to think very quickly.

Yue · Mar 28, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

If you watch a guy on observer for the entire match, anyone will look bad.

xhappy feetx · Mar 28, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Im not in high end gvg's etc, but why would u keep attacking a target thats been spirit bonded, when you can change target and still output damage, then returning once spirit bond has ended.

Yes spiking that target isnt a great idea, but neither is just wacking at it...

Thats just my opinion, from what I understand.

What he's saying is that your not going to trigger SB just by auto-attacking someone and not using skills, just building adren, etc., unless they have additional prot (guardian, etc.) there really is no reason to change.

Legendary Shiz · Mar 28, 2008, 03:29 PM // 15:29

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Originally Posted by Yue

If you watch a guy on observer for the entire match, anyone will look bad.

Bingo. Nobody plays 18+ minutes of flawless guild wars.

EXCEPT BREHON.

advalorem · Mar 28, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Say you're attacking a monk, with auto attacks. That monk puts SB on themselves. Now, with your auto attacks, you're not going to break the 60 damage threshold and cause SB to trigger, so that monk has essentially wasted 10 energy on themselves. Correct.

By staying on that monk, your damage output doesn't change, SB on them or not. So why do so called experienced warriors often switch targets in this situation?

Well, now the warrior has changed targets, that monk is faced with a difficult situation. That warrior might just be changing targets to pressure an unprotected target, or they might be moving for an adrenal spike. Such a spike would require another spirit bond on the new target. If the monk falls for this, when really the warrior is just changing targets for the sake of pressure, then the monk has wasted not one, but two spirit bonds, and 20 energy as a result.

The point is, if you only change targets when you're going to spike, the opposing monks will very quickly catch on. If you mix it up between changing when you're pressuring, and changing when you're going to spike (and the often forgotten one - not changing when you're going to spike), your playstyle becomes much harder to predict, and the opposing monks will either find themselves very low on energy, or with a lot of deaths on their hands.

Of course, one has to bear in mind that a warrior that's running from one target to another is a warrior that's doing no damage.

*lemming* · Mar 28, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Yue

If you watch a guy on observer for the entire match, anyone will look bad.

yue is bad.

Sundering triggers on axe occasionally go over 60.

Zabe · Mar 28, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by tehlemming

yue is bad.

Sundering triggers on axe occasionally go over 60.

And criticals using major or superior axe rune.

Farin · Mar 28, 2008, 07:41 PM // 19:41

Most warriors are terrible. Me? I'm pretty good.

Patrick Smit · Mar 28, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

even less then 20% of the hammer autoattacks will go over 60 damage, but spiking on the guy would be out of question. I think the point of advalorum is well made. However the monk can make a preprot on himself because no one else could put a spiritbond, and he cant himself if he got shocked galed or diverted or ....... whatever. While protting another may occur during the spike so there is essentially no need to cast the prot before the spike, unless you see the spike is obviously coming (excluding shadowstep shite). But then they may rebuke the spike and u would indeed have wasted another 10 energy.

ballinshiznick · Mar 28, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05

the fact that they are well known usually makes them good.....
and its stupid to keep hitting on a monk that spirit bonded him self... your doing alot less dmg to the opposite team then to wack on a diff target.

Rau · Mar 28, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Look at Wars in Today's Meta they are blind all game

fixed.
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Van Goghs Ear · Mar 29, 2008, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by ballinshiznick

the fact that they are well known usually makes them good.....
and its stupid to keep hitting on a monk that spirit bonded him self... your doing alot less dmg to the opposite team then to wack on a diff target.

actually you'd technically be doing less damage since transit time from target to target would reduce your damage, especially when the large prot used to mitigate your damage...doesn't.

Mr Fizzle · Mar 29, 2008, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Umm,you keep hitting a person with spirit bond(with axe at the least)because the movement to another target = less dmg PLUS the fact that the monk is probaly going to have to prot himself again making him/her use more energy.

I think I get the idea now well known players > good players.

Kaon · Mar 29, 2008, 11:57 AM // 11:57

There've always been a lot of bad warriors, today there aren't more bad ones that yesterday.

Of course i'm pretty amazing.